They will wreck the national energy infrastructure long before they could ever get anything as complicated as Locational Pricing up and working if they press ahead with Net Zero as planned. Paul Homewood has just posted that mad Miliband is planning to spend £242billion to save £2billion a year! https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-climate-scaremongers-milibands-economics-of-the-madhouse/.
How much longer must we suffer before Net Zero is finally euthanised? How can the UK Uniparty continue to press ahead with pointless, self-sabotaging Net Zero when the American people have turned their backs on the climate change “hoax”, as President Trump disdainfully calls it?
Trump and his MAGA team are dismantling the US deep state at breakneck speed. It’s not just his “Drill baby drill” and withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement. Trump has just undone decades of deep state brinkmanship and Russia-baiting in Europe to push NATO further and further east. With a few strokes of the pen and a few speeches, that’s all finished, the deep state’s deliberately provoked Ukraine war is all but over, Ukraine will never join NATO and the compliant/complicit European and UK politicians who went along with it are now totally flummoxed and impotent.
The Trump team is even threatening repercussions if the politicians on this side of the pond don’t stop oppressing their people with censorship, two-tier policing and out-of-control immigration. We have just entered a completely new era of politics. Uniparty politicians need to come to their senses and respond to the new reality.
LP would turn some zones into net exporters and others into net importers. It's a national version of the international interconnectors scenario. The Norwegian Government, having been kicked up the backside by Norwegian consumers, has just realised that being a net exporter increases prices to your own consumers. Consequently, Miliband's reliance on imported electricity is looking very shaky.
Your point about Norway and interconnectors is interesting. Something of an example of unintended consequences, but - in a strange way - also the opposite of LP. In the bonkers theory, cheap electricity in Norway should mean a lot of heavy industry relocating from other parts of Europe so that interconnectors ("expensive, lossy transmission lines") are unnecessary!
Of course, it's all nonsense. Everything is much more complicated, and chaotic, than the arrogant twenty-something graduates with their naive computer models assume.
If you look at the interconnectors countries are exporting electricity to the SAME country they import electricity from, I'm suspicious that means some cunning bar steward has worked out they can import electricity, then export the same electricity at a profit while not generating any at almost zero cost and risk.
When different people, both with proper engineering qualifications, look at the Locational Pricing proposals and come to the same conclusion that it's an expensive scam, then the authorities ought to take notice.
John Sullivan and SpaceTimeEnd have looked at Locational Pricing too and come to the same conclusion I did in recent articles: Consumers are going to get Reamed by REMA.
Another great article but im fearful that Milibrain, Starkie and Pinchback realise the game is up and the exit doors are rapidly being sealed off so they need to come up with another ruse. So this will get approved and it will of course be sold as benefiting there voter base outside of the SE.
Not sure how quickly NESO can implement it given all the complexities already existing in trying to manage the variables in running the power system today so illusory benefits are way off. The other factor here is the big renewable generation entities aren't enthusiastic and are suggesting it would undermine the financial case for future windmills. Thus they face a dilemma here about LP actually undermining there NZ2030 fantasy.
It's funny. Before I read this I posted a rant on my own substack, not something I normally do as it is all about calculated satellite positions. It covers the idea similar to this one that there are many engineers and scientists who take this stuff at face value as a "good idea" without engaging their brain. There needs to be a critical mass of enough people to nudge the public awareness of the sheer scale of this grift.
Locational energy pricing isn’t green at all. Indeed it will harm renewable energy. The renewable trade associations are against the idea! By labelling it as ‘green’ you are giving the proposals credibility they don’t deserve! See ‘How exaggerated claims about payments for wasted wind power are being used to push renewables towards a free market horror show.’ ‘https://davidtoke.substack.com/p/how-exaggerated-claims-about-payments
I was Managing Director of a wind power development company from 1991. You learn about all aspects of the electricity industry from that. Then people said wind would never make more a couple of per cent of electricity. Now it’s over 30 per cent and going to be over 50per cent of annual UK electricity production
So confirmed, a "green" grifter - who knew nothing about energy before joining the grift ("you learn about all aspects of the electricity industry from that").
So how did you get to be MD of a company in an industry you knew nothing about? Which company? Let's have some details. How much were you paid to sell your soul?
Just in case you think I'm falling for a word of your BS, I've seen the drivel you've written about batteries. You're a transparent fake pal, and I see straight through you.
Now, one more ignorant trolling post on my site, and you 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 be gone. Say something sensible, if you're capable of it, or say nothing.
You can't have a national energy strategy without a lot of central planning, so psychopathy is not an inherent problem.
Your point is true at the moment though, because psychopaths have infiltrated (captured) the establishment institutions. We need to get rid of them, and restore professionalism.
True. Though I would probably need to demand a *good strategy* though - a neutral one - a transparent one - principles not "plans" - not just some pressured consensus from the "green deep state" which absolutely is a thing. I hear this term thrown out a lot. Are you English, just wondering? Excellent piece btw, thanks.
Wrong had we had centralised planning aka CEGB MkII we would have at least coordinated transmission capacity to absorb the available wind generation what we have now is an absolute national scandal. This is aptly illuminated with the latest two windfarms Viking and Seagreen having been constrained off more than they have generated.
What we need is the DENZ psychopaths to cut through all the nimby nonsense and get the transmission system upgraded to use the power already on offer first before building anymore windmills or field covering devices.
Not really as it has no say in when or where generation is built. I've never been adverse to use of wind in the mix but currently its being built out a random fashion with NESO managing the consequences at ever increasing costs to the consumer. The connections reform is a part attempt to get on top of that nonsense and is effectively centralised planning imposing some rules surrounding how quickly unreliables get connected. Thats be clear that was done for Milibands need not the greater good.
Your point is reasonable, 𝗶𝗳 you accept that we should be building all this wind (& solar) in the first place. And that's the fundamental problem. It's utter madness.
As I say an element of wind in the generation mix was worthwhile but its gone beyond what is sensible. The UK has more than done its bit to contribute to CO2 emission reductions (assuming there needed). Whatever we do now won't make one iota of a difference if the science is correct but what Millibrain doesn't see is there is far greater threat to citizens from an ever increasing price of energy destroying jobs and causing social injustice.
The point is wind and solar were pushed when they should not have been - it was not neutral. Very distorted "market dynamics". Fewer people trying to plan things the better.
Totally agree but we now have those generating assets built and we need to ensure the transmission system is reinforced to at least ensure we can use whats on offer as its being paid for one way or another.
They will wreck the national energy infrastructure long before they could ever get anything as complicated as Locational Pricing up and working if they press ahead with Net Zero as planned. Paul Homewood has just posted that mad Miliband is planning to spend £242billion to save £2billion a year! https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-climate-scaremongers-milibands-economics-of-the-madhouse/.
How much longer must we suffer before Net Zero is finally euthanised? How can the UK Uniparty continue to press ahead with pointless, self-sabotaging Net Zero when the American people have turned their backs on the climate change “hoax”, as President Trump disdainfully calls it?
Trump and his MAGA team are dismantling the US deep state at breakneck speed. It’s not just his “Drill baby drill” and withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement. Trump has just undone decades of deep state brinkmanship and Russia-baiting in Europe to push NATO further and further east. With a few strokes of the pen and a few speeches, that’s all finished, the deep state’s deliberately provoked Ukraine war is all but over, Ukraine will never join NATO and the compliant/complicit European and UK politicians who went along with it are now totally flummoxed and impotent.
The Trump team is even threatening repercussions if the politicians on this side of the pond don’t stop oppressing their people with censorship, two-tier policing and out-of-control immigration. We have just entered a completely new era of politics. Uniparty politicians need to come to their senses and respond to the new reality.
A great piece of analysis.
LP would turn some zones into net exporters and others into net importers. It's a national version of the international interconnectors scenario. The Norwegian Government, having been kicked up the backside by Norwegian consumers, has just realised that being a net exporter increases prices to your own consumers. Consequently, Miliband's reliance on imported electricity is looking very shaky.
https://watt-logic.com/2025/02/21/norway-turning-away-from-electricity-interconnection/
Thanks!
Your point about Norway and interconnectors is interesting. Something of an example of unintended consequences, but - in a strange way - also the opposite of LP. In the bonkers theory, cheap electricity in Norway should mean a lot of heavy industry relocating from other parts of Europe so that interconnectors ("expensive, lossy transmission lines") are unnecessary!
Of course, it's all nonsense. Everything is much more complicated, and chaotic, than the arrogant twenty-something graduates with their naive computer models assume.
Seeing as the i/c's are predominantly importing any area with an HVDC substation node ought to get cheaper prices?
The whole thing is a shell game.
If you look at the interconnectors countries are exporting electricity to the SAME country they import electricity from, I'm suspicious that means some cunning bar steward has worked out they can import electricity, then export the same electricity at a profit while not generating any at almost zero cost and risk.
When different people, both with proper engineering qualifications, look at the Locational Pricing proposals and come to the same conclusion that it's an expensive scam, then the authorities ought to take notice.
John Sullivan and SpaceTimeEnd have looked at Locational Pricing too and come to the same conclusion I did in recent articles: Consumers are going to get Reamed by REMA.
https://open.substack.com/pub/davidturver/p/consumers-set-to-be-reamed-by-rema?r=nhgn1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
I highly recommend you read their article too.
Another great article but im fearful that Milibrain, Starkie and Pinchback realise the game is up and the exit doors are rapidly being sealed off so they need to come up with another ruse. So this will get approved and it will of course be sold as benefiting there voter base outside of the SE.
Not sure how quickly NESO can implement it given all the complexities already existing in trying to manage the variables in running the power system today so illusory benefits are way off. The other factor here is the big renewable generation entities aren't enthusiastic and are suggesting it would undermine the financial case for future windmills. Thus they face a dilemma here about LP actually undermining there NZ2030 fantasy.
Thanks, I agree with everything you've said.
It's funny. Before I read this I posted a rant on my own substack, not something I normally do as it is all about calculated satellite positions. It covers the idea similar to this one that there are many engineers and scientists who take this stuff at face value as a "good idea" without engaging their brain. There needs to be a critical mass of enough people to nudge the public awareness of the sheer scale of this grift.
https://open.substack.com/pub/overhead/p/brain-before-heart-smart-heart-before?r=2r6e6n&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
Thanks.
I read your own article - excellent!
In short windmills are always more expensive than any other form of energy generation other than solar or wave energy.
Locational energy pricing isn’t green at all. Indeed it will harm renewable energy. The renewable trade associations are against the idea! By labelling it as ‘green’ you are giving the proposals credibility they don’t deserve! See ‘How exaggerated claims about payments for wasted wind power are being used to push renewables towards a free market horror show.’ ‘https://davidtoke.substack.com/p/how-exaggerated-claims-about-payments
Oh dear David, you are seriously confused, not to say deranged. I took a quick look at your site - illuminating.
Try shaking off your Long March indoctrination and ask yourself why, for example, we put "green" in quotes.
What is your experience in the energy industry? We'll wait...
I’ve had over 30 years of experience in the energy industry. Trumpism style personal insults won’t make your case any better
So you've avoided my question. I asked what is your experience, not how many years.
Insult my intelligence one more time, and you're out of here.
I was Managing Director of a wind power development company from 1991. You learn about all aspects of the electricity industry from that. Then people said wind would never make more a couple of per cent of electricity. Now it’s over 30 per cent and going to be over 50per cent of annual UK electricity production
So confirmed, a "green" grifter - who knew nothing about energy before joining the grift ("you learn about all aspects of the electricity industry from that").
So how did you get to be MD of a company in an industry you knew nothing about? Which company? Let's have some details. How much were you paid to sell your soul?
Just in case you think I'm falling for a word of your BS, I've seen the drivel you've written about batteries. You're a transparent fake pal, and I see straight through you.
Now, one more ignorant trolling post on my site, and you 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 be gone. Say something sensible, if you're capable of it, or say nothing.
Central planners are psychopaths. Nothing else to it.
You can't have a national energy strategy without a lot of central planning, so psychopathy is not an inherent problem.
Your point is true at the moment though, because psychopaths have infiltrated (captured) the establishment institutions. We need to get rid of them, and restore professionalism.
True. Though I would probably need to demand a *good strategy* though - a neutral one - a transparent one - principles not "plans" - not just some pressured consensus from the "green deep state" which absolutely is a thing. I hear this term thrown out a lot. Are you English, just wondering? Excellent piece btw, thanks.
English yes. Thanks. But experience of the power industry in many other countries - Ireland, US, Ukraine, Georgia & Cameroon.
Wrong had we had centralised planning aka CEGB MkII we would have at least coordinated transmission capacity to absorb the available wind generation what we have now is an absolute national scandal. This is aptly illuminated with the latest two windfarms Viking and Seagreen having been constrained off more than they have generated.
What we need is the DENZ psychopaths to cut through all the nimby nonsense and get the transmission system upgraded to use the power already on offer first before building anymore windmills or field covering devices.
We do have centralised planning. What else is NG ESO (now NESO) for?
The issue is, they've been captured by climate lunatics & "green" grifters.
Not really as it has no say in when or where generation is built. I've never been adverse to use of wind in the mix but currently its being built out a random fashion with NESO managing the consequences at ever increasing costs to the consumer. The connections reform is a part attempt to get on top of that nonsense and is effectively centralised planning imposing some rules surrounding how quickly unreliables get connected. Thats be clear that was done for Milibands need not the greater good.
Your point is reasonable, 𝗶𝗳 you accept that we should be building all this wind (& solar) in the first place. And that's the fundamental problem. It's utter madness.
As I say an element of wind in the generation mix was worthwhile but its gone beyond what is sensible. The UK has more than done its bit to contribute to CO2 emission reductions (assuming there needed). Whatever we do now won't make one iota of a difference if the science is correct but what Millibrain doesn't see is there is far greater threat to citizens from an ever increasing price of energy destroying jobs and causing social injustice.
The point is wind and solar were pushed when they should not have been - it was not neutral. Very distorted "market dynamics". Fewer people trying to plan things the better.
Absolutely, we should minimise it, but what central planning is necessary should be professional, not activist. And based on a sensible energy policy.
Totally agree but we now have those generating assets built and we need to ensure the transmission system is reinforced to at least ensure we can use whats on offer as its being paid for one way or another.